Terror To Triumph
Childhood trauma is a taboo subject in that it's deeply emotional for people to learn, talk, and comprehend it. However, healing, true healing, can't come from silence. This podcast digs in to the emotions and reveals the symptoms of what can lead to childhood trauma, AND the tell tell signs that can alert us that something is wrong with the youths in our homes, schools, churches, or wherever. Whether it's physical, mental, verbal, or sexual abuse, this podcast takes a brave head on approach to tackle the difficult subject matters while providing the audience a platform to vent, and reach out for help.
Terror To Triumph
Season 1 Episode 4 - Rebuilding Trust: Starting with Yourself - The Foundation (Edited Rev. 5)
What happens when the people meant to protect you are the ones who cause harm? We open a four-part journey into rebuilding trust after childhood trauma, starting with the foundation that makes every other step possible: learning to trust yourself. With Storm joining after a few live tech hiccups, we move past apologies and into the real work—naming how abuse tangles safety with danger and why hypervigilance, people-pleasing, and isolation become default settings.
Together we unpack what trust actually is and how it gets shattered: unpredictable harm, denial of reality, and the slow erosion of self-belief. You’ll hear personal stories that put language to familiar patterns—testing people until they fail, pushing away love before it can hurt you, ignoring your body’s signals, and numbing the scan for danger. Then we shift from theory to practice. We outline small, doable steps that begin to retrain the nervous system: noticing tension and ease, naming feelings without judgment, choosing one calming tool that truly works for you, and building credibility through tiny promises kept. We also talk about boundaries as an act of self-trust and why self-compassion—not perfection—is the engine of change.
If you’re exhausted from second-guessing, craving closeness but bracing for impact, or simply ready to stop abandoning yourself, this conversation offers a clear starting point. Walk away with practical tools to listen to your body, set one honest boundary, and make one small promise you can keep tomorrow morning. We’ll continue this trust series after a brief bye week with how trust falters, practical daily practices, and sustaining trust for long-term healing.
If this helped, follow the show, share it with someone who needs it, and leave a review telling us the one small habit you’ll try this week. Your voice helps other survivors find a safer path forward.
Well, hello, that was interesting. Good evening, good evening, good evening, everybody. Thank you, thank you, thank you for joining us tonight on Terror to Triumph. This is a live podcast of the audio podcast that will be delivered Thursday as a recap on Buzz Sprout. That's www.terror to Triumph.buzzsprout dot com. We are here to welcome everybody, any survivor of childhood trauma, and show you that this is a safe place to have a communication where you can receive tips, learning, coping mechanisms, and other things that can help you along your journey to bring you to wholeness, to help you become one and become empowered to live your life as you should. My name is Alfonso Pelt, and I too am a survivor. And tonight we have a guest. I would like to introduce to everyone that this is Storm, and I welcome you for joining us tonight. Thank you for coming.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Oh, thank you. Yes. Hello, everyone.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Mrs. Storm might have an issue with her microphone.
SPEAKER_01:Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I have to try to work on that while we are going forward.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Miss Storm, we are not receiving your audio. Oh. I'm going to see if uh there's nothing on my end I could do. We are fairly new, a fairly new podcast, so there will be a lot of things that uh you and I, as you as listener, and I as the host will be going through as we learn how to navigate podcasting. We're doing this together. So I want everybody to know that this is this is not a prescripted or anything like that, even though we do have a format to follow. That we're learning as you are learning with us. Okay. We are going to try this one more time. I hope it works this time. Miss Storm, are you there? Can you hear us? Can we hear you?
SPEAKER_01:I can hear you. Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_00:Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_01:It's crazy. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:You're not gonna believe this. For some reason. I I just noticed this on my on my set. Don't hang up. Because it's an easy fix.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:We're just trying this over and over again. Okay, she's no longer there anymore. Okay. So I apologize, everybody. We are still going forward with the show. We will continue with our format for tonight. Again, I apologize for our technical difficulties tonight. We are still growing and learning, and I appreciate you all being patient with us. So, as I was saying, over the next four weeks, we're promised to you all, Storm and I will have the audio right next week. We're gonna work on it probably tonight after the show. But uh, we're gonna explore trust from every angle. And tonight I'm gonna lay the foundation. We're gonna be talking about what trust actually means. Oh, yeah, she's trying to come back in, so I'm gonna try to put her back in here.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_00:I yes, we can hear you now.
SPEAKER_01:Yay, all right, yes.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, welcome, Miss Storm. Thank you for joining us again. And okay, I was just pleading with the audience, telling them that uh we were gonna work on it after the show. But I'm so happy that you were able to come on tonight for this show because we are uh digging into trust and why it matters in survivors, and most importantly, how to start rebuilding it with our vulnerable and it's going to be transformative. Here's what's coming tonight in this episode. We're doing the rebuilding trust starting with ourselves next week. I'm sorry, it'll be week after next. Uh because we're we're having a bye week next week. So it'll be week after next. Excuse me, my apologies, everybody. And that's going to be how trust falters. So on the 22nd at 8 p.m., that'll be episode five. And then we'll go off into practical practices. So we're gonna actually learn what actually we can do to rebuild trust today. You know, maybe we have some kind of like mental workout we can do to start to learn how to build trust within ourselves. And then the last episode of the series will be episode seven, and that will be on sustaining trust, long-term healing. If you're struggling with trust, if you've been betrayed, if you don't know how to trust again, this minute series is going to be for you. So I want you to like, share, comment, send the word out to your family, send the word out to your friends. If you know somebody who's going through trust issues, maybe you're in a relationship now with a significant other that has trust issues, then you might want to just sit down with them and listen to this podcast over the next couple of weeks with as we break it down for you. Let's start with the basic question. What's trust? On the surface, it's of our confidence. Like we chip dealer to sell us a car that's gonna run. You know, but we've heard the stories. You know, we go to a dealership and we buy a car, and this car turns out to be a limit. It breaks down on us within a month, you know. So that can develop trust issues where you can't trust something. So now we're wary every time we go to a dealership, not just that one, but the one subsequent that we go to, we have this notion in the back of our head, this guy's trying to sell us some garbage. It's just it's kind of the same thing with us trying to establish relationships, whether it be friendships, co-workers, or significant others. Even with family members trying to regain that trust back. So while on the surface it seems simple, trying to gauge whether someone is worthy of our confidence is not. For survivors of childhood abuse, trust is very complicated because the people who were supposed to protect us, our caregivers, hurt us in ways that we can't imagine for the general population. They hurt us instead. And that trust didn't just break, it shattered before we even knew what it was. Storm, would you like to interject something here?
SPEAKER_02:We all have trust issues, you know. You know, like you said, would it be co-workers, would it be people, even people in the church, you know, that you doubt that you could trust, you know, and they did something to betray their trust. So, you know, you just have to, you know, you have to take a deep breath. And if you have a derby so you have someone that you can talk to, then that person can help you get through these trust issues because we all have been betrayed, or we have been accused, or we have been victimized in some kind of way that will allow us to have trust issues.
SPEAKER_00:That's absolutely 100% on point. That's a child growing up in a Roman Catholic church school setting. They were kind of like one and the same. The school had a built-in church into it. I asked some friends that were molested by the priests there, and this was going on before it became very public that priests in the Roman Catholic Church were abusing children in the clergy, and I was firsthand to watch how my friend changed from being one type of person into another. And trust issues, his trust issues were shattered, and it broke my heart because I knew who he used to be, and I saw him turning into who I was, and I didn't like myself because of the trauma that I went through. I hated my life, and I didn't want him to have that life that I had, but there was nothing I could do about it at the time because I didn't think I could do anything at the time about it. You know, when I'm still dealing with my own issues at home. So uh, yeah, trying to trying to grow up in an abusive environment, you learn to doubt yourself, you learn that your feelings are wrong, you learn that your body signals, your fear, your discomfort, your pain should be ignored. So you even stop trusting yourself. And that's the real problem. Because you can't rebuild trust with others until you rebuild it with yourself first. So let me tell you about my personal trust issues. I'm laughing, you know. You have to forgive me. My laugh is not the humor, it's about the situation, it's like a a response that I know I have come to develop when facing this issue. I don't take this lightly, it's very serious to me, but that's one of my coping mechanisms. My I've learned that I tried to brush things off by laughing, like it's not as serious as it is, and that's because I find that I don't trust myself saying the right things around people I've tried to be things that I wasn't, just so I could fit in to the people around me. I tried to act as they act, so I could be cool with the cool group, as we used to say. The cool group was not the cool group, actually. The cool group always got you in trouble trying to be cool. But I was always trying to fit in with those people, and that that trust, I displaced trust trying to fit in because I didn't trust me being me, you know, and and that was a hard pill to swallow when I realized that I can't go through life being everything to everybody that they want. I gotta start learning to trust myself. I gotta start learning it's okay to be me around other people. You know, if they don't like who I am as a person, then that's their problem, not my problem. I have to start trusting me and my thoughts and my wants and my desires. And my my desires were to get off from underneath this weight that just has pressed me into the ground all my life. And coming out from under all that pressure is is like is like I can't even describe how good that feels. But if you can imagine yourself suffocating and you getting that first real full breath of air in your lungs, that's kind of how it felt. So learning and taking these steps is something that I had to had to learn. But let me break down how childhood abuse specifically destroys trust. Say your caregiver is supposed to be your safe person, the one who protects you. But when that person is also your abuser, your nervous system gets a mixed message. Safety and danger become the same thing. You learn that the people close to you are threats. Abuse is often unpredictable. You don't know when it's coming, you don't know what will trigger it, so you become hyper-vigilant. You're always scanning for danger, which is what I was just telling you guys about how I was trying to fit in, because I was trying to avoid any conflict. Because if you be yourself, there's gonna be conflict. People are always gonna want to question you, people are always gonna want to challenge you, and I didn't want that. I was trying to avoid all that, so I became this invisible person, this malleable to all types of situations, and that wasn't me, that's really being no one. It's like being a ghost, but being present as a ghost. You know, people see you, they can talk to you, but they don't really know you, you don't really know yourself, and that's that's that's a hard pill to swallow, trying to get to that point and uh addressing it and acknowledging that point. So while you don't know where this danger is coming from, and you're trying to avoid it at all costs, you can't relax. You can't trust that this moment of peace will last. Abusers often deny what happened, they minimalize, oh, that ain't hurt them. They liked it, you know, and they make you question your own reality. No, that didn't happen. Maybe I'm being too sensitive, and maybe it's my fault, maybe I deserved it. Over time, you stop trusting your own perceptions and you start believing the abuser's version of reality instead of your own. If the abuse is physical or sexual, your body becomes a source of shame and distrust. You learn to disconnect from your body, you stop listening to its signals. You can't trust your own body to keep you safe. And I mmm that's that's hidden home for me right there. The reason I say that is because your body and your mental state have to work in conjunction, right? It's like the computer to your car has got to work together with your engine for your engine to function correctly. If the computer don't work right, the engine don't work right. Well, if the engine's working perfectly, but your computer's malfunctioning, something in your engine might not work right, right? Even though it's a perfectly good engine. It's the same thing with our bodies. But when our mind is not working right, and we're having misfires in our mind, our body won't function properly. People often wonder what's happening with our sexual performances, you know, years down the road, we have a mental disconnect with our bodies. And we're wondering why we're not performing like we used to prior to the abuse, or as we should from our what we hear from our peers. We don't we don't understand it. Like something we feel like we're broken, something's wrong with us, but we don't know what that is because we haven't had this discussion with anybody. We didn't know about this disconnect. We just said, well, you know, I'm just not, you know, there. You know, maybe I'm off, you know, I had an off day or something, and we brush it off again. Still not trusting our bodies. So what do you think, Storm?
SPEAKER_02:It's a lot. Like you said, you have given many examples because I was raped, and being a victim of rape that caused me to distance myself, that caused me to not trust trust issues with everybody around me. I didn't know that I would distance myself away from my uncles until it took 10 years and it took an incident for me to speak out, then get help, you know. And in speaking out and getting help because of an incident that happened at that time, I was able to get derpy, but I found out that I was treating men during their time era, I was treating them like they, you know, I was bullying them because I became a bully. I became, you know, because I didn't want to be taken for granted. I started standing up to giants. And even though people were bigger than me, you know, you have to look at me standing 4-9, I stood up to giants, I get in trouble. I had a wrist reference because my trust issues got in the way, and I was the only thing I used to do was to beat up people if things didn't go the way I wanted them to go.
SPEAKER_00:Understood. That's true. If things don't go the way we want them to go, you know, and you think about it, because we're already misfiring, you know, from the trust issues. So now we have to look and say, what is that causing on the outside? Now, our trust issues cause us not to trust the people closest to us. What is that saying for the people who could help us? Because that's another source of people who would be placed in a position to be close to us. It has us not even trusting the people who could help us, and that that's that's another way we end up isolating ourselves. We start to withdraw from the from the world, and we become uh for lack of a better word, we become not hoarders, but like we we become recluse, we become disassociated with the world around us. We stop being social, you know. I mean, we we are social in the the basics, like just saying hi by being cordial, excuse me. But as far as real conversation, we don't tend to engage because we don't trust. We're very, very hard to trust as as survivors of sexual or childhood trauma. We we we find it very hard to allow ourselves to be vulnerable enough to trust. So the result is we grow into a we grow into an adult who doesn't trust ourselves. We don't trust ourselves, and we don't trust others, and we don't trust that the world is safe, and that's exhausting. Like I said, it's isolating, and that's why we're here. We're here to change that. Broken trust doesn't just affect your relationships, it affects everything. Let me paint a picture. You can't let people get close. You test them constantly, you push them away before they can hurt you, you sabotage good things because you don't believe they'll last. You choose people who mirror the dysfunction you've experienced because at least that feels familiar. You don't trust your own abilities, you don't apply for promotions, you don't speak up in meetings, you second guess every decision, and you surround yourself with people who validate your self-doubt instead of challenging it. That might sound familiar to some of us. Yes, that's like conditions in your workspace, or about how about in our health. We don't trust our body signals, we ignore the pain, we push through exhaustion, we make choices that harm us because we've learned to distrust our own instincts about what's safe, and in our mental health, we struggle with anxiety and hypervigilance. We're always waiting for the other shoe to drop. You can't be present because you're scanning for danger. You might use substances or behaviors to numb that constant state of non-trusting. Do you have anything to uh relate that to this topic right here? Miss Storm?
SPEAKER_02:Well you have it and you kind of like then concluded it, you know, you know, for what it is, yes.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. I'll I'll use uh something personal about myself. The part where it says in the mental health section that you might use substances or behaviors to numb the constant state of not trust. I used to use sex as the numbing factor for not trusting. I didn't want to be committed in a relationship, but I wanted to feel like I was in one, so to somehow mediate that feeling, I would get close to someone to have sex with them, to feel like I'm in a relationship, even though that was fleeting. Of course, it never lasted. And because of the issues of my of my trauma, you know, even that was lackluster. So I had issues I had to work through, but the issues that I all already was present in me because of my trauma and not seeking help for it caused me to be this way. You know, my thought process was different. You know, I see somebody who might be interested in me, but already I'm thinking, use them before they use me. And that came from early on in my childhood when I started to try to have girlfriends and stuff like that. I was getting cheated on then without even doing anything. So I figured if that's the way it's gonna be, I gotta play the game. I don't want to get hurt anymore because the first time I gave my heart to somebody, that's what happened. Like a super slap in the face. The one time I tried to open up to somebody who wasn't family. Was that time where, you know, my trust was deeply broken again. So I said, I'm not gonna do it again. You know, I'm gonna start treating people just like she treated me. And we've all heard the colloquialism hurt people, hurt people. And that's been put out there so many times, but it's so true. You know, people slept around as a form of defense to get what they want, but what they want really wasn't the sleeping around. And that dysfunction in their minds caused other people to be dysfunctional, like me, even further, who already was abused and hadn't addressed that situation. I think I was like 14 when that happened, and uh not not the initial abuse, of course. I'm talking about the girlfriend situation, just going into high school, and I was uh a whole nother situation with that, but I'm not trying to get off topic, but that was a personal cost, you know, not being able to be myself, but allowing outside influence to change who I was already because I didn't have the trust issues, and that just further exacerbated that situation. So for work, you have to realize one thing. We are therapists, we are psychologists, we didn't come out the womb and say, I'm gonna screw over everybody. That's just the way life is. We didn't come out that way. Things happen, situations happen, the out of our control. This is not our fault. Our nervous systems learn to protect us, but now as an adult, those protective mechanisms are keeping us stuck, and that's what we're here to change.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:So, how do we rebuild trust? How do we do that? We start with ourselves because we can't trust anyone until we start to trust ourselves, so we have to start somewhere. Well, where's that point where we start it? Well, the greatest part we can start is listening to ourselves, listen to our body. Our body knows things our mind hasn't caught up to yet. It sends signals tension, discomfort, ease, joy. For years you've been taught to ignore these signals. Now we're learning to listen again. Start small. When you notice you feel tension in your shoulders, notice when your stomach tightens. Notice when you feel calm. Don't judge it, just observe it. Your body is trying to tell you something. Have you had any experiences with this? Listening to your body, Miss Storm.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, on many occasions, especially, you know, through the challenges that have happened at work, you know, when you get tensed up and your stomach start, you know, bubbling, and you know, it's like it. You know, your shoulders is tensed up, your head is on the emotions above because you can feel the trouble coming, you can feel the animosity in the room, you can tell when things is about to change and your whole body going to it goes on attack, you know, and it's you know, you have to find a way to calm yourself. You know, you have to teach yourself whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen, but you got to, you know, tell yourself to like relax, breathe, you know, and let it flow, you know, because you can end up attacked, you know, putting yourself through strings. And so you like you say, you have to teach yourself, you have to teach yourself, you know, how to, you know, just remain, you know, calm. You have to find relaxed things, what it is uh charming bells, uh, what it is music that's calming, you know, you have to find a way to calm your body because you have to listen to your body, and you have to teach yourself.
SPEAKER_00:See, and that's that's the key. What works for you doesn't work for me. So, listening to our bodies, we also have to find ways to learn about ourselves, and listening to our bodies is the perfect way to do that, and we have to test it. Like, what calms us down? Try different things. You know, we could try breathing, deep breathing techniques, we could try just sitting still, close our eyes, meditation. We could try a lot of stuff, you know, maybe working out works for people, you know, or doing something, you know, maybe a hobby or housework. It depends on the person. Sometimes things that calm people could be the things that make another person nervous. So we have to explore ourselves to find out what those things are, and from a personal standpoint, because of my trust issues, I used to like not trust so bad, it would be like I walk down the street and I'm looking at everybody as a potential threat. Everybody, yeah. Um granted, I live in Detroit, but people aren't as bad as I was making them out to be. Not everybody is that bad. People are generally good people, but hyper-vigilant, I become hyper-vigilant when I'm looking at everybody as a potential threat. I position myself in case of an attack. You know, here's another thing. I didn't know I was doing this until I reached, I believe it was my junior year in high school. I went to King High School, and I was wondering why people weren't always, you know, I see people talking to each other all the time. I'm like, oh, I wouldn't mind talking to people. Why don't approach me? So I asked somebody, I said, what's going on? They said, Oh, you always look like you're mad. I didn't know I had that expression on my face. It's funny when you think about it, but they always thought I was angry, and which internally I was, but I didn't know I was showing that externally. That was another defense mechanism. Like, I do not want to be bothered. I didn't have to show that, but that was my defense mechanism saying that leave me alone. Even though on the opposite side of it, I wanted friends. So I was self-sabotaging without unconsciously, I was self-sabotaging friendships, potential friendships that I could have had. So when we look at what we just observed and discussed, paying attention, things like that, you would never notice about yourself unless you become aware of it. And the only way I could have become aware of that is that through that conversation. You know, I had to ask, you know, why aren't people more willing to talk to me? You know, have you noticed that? It's like, because you always look mad, you always look like you're ready to fight. You are there it is. And I didn't understand at the time exactly what that meant, as the young lady was explaining it to me the best way she could. But it it actually was my defense mechanism manifesting in my face. And that's how it was sabotaging my desire to get along with people. And I would have never known that had I not had that conversation. So we have to look at our feelings as information for our minds to process. They're not always rational, but they're always valid. Our feelings are valid. So if you feel unsafe, that feeling does matter, even if logically the situation seems safe. You're inside a police station, it seems safe, but for some reason you feel unsafe. Can I say that again? You're inside a police station. You should feel safe, but for some reason you feel unsafe. Okay, I'm gonna just leave that there because I could go into that one. That's a whole nother conversation. But we're gonna I just left that there so you can get context, okay. Now if you feel joy, that matters too. It's not always just an unsafe feeling, you know. You can feel happy, that's a good thing. So you have to start practicing when you feel something, pause and name it. I feel anxious. I feel safe. I feel angry. Don't try to fix it or change it, you're just acknowledging it. This is how you rebuild trust with yourself by honoring what you feel. You're about to say something, Miss Storm.
SPEAKER_01:Oh no.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, okay. We're gonna build trust through consistency. We build trust with ourselves by doing what we say we'll do, even if it's small. Wake up in the morning. I'm gonna say a prayer today. We say the prayer, we honor what we do, and no matter how small it is, I'm gonna get up and I'm gonna frick some toast. Do that, I'm gonna wash the dishes, do that, take out the trash. Do it if it's a million small things, that's how you start to rebuild trust with yourself because you say it and you do it. And then you start building it up. Say you'll drink a glass of water in the morning and you do it, say you'll take a 10-minute walk and do it, say you'll start a journal for five minutes and you do it. These small acts of self-trust compound. Your nervous system starts to believe, you know what? I I can trust myself, I know I can follow through. Yes, and boundaries are an act of self-trust. I'm sorry, you were about to say something?
SPEAKER_02:No, I just say yes. You, you know, I'll just comment in yes.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Boundaries are an act of self-trust. When you say no to something that doesn't serve you, you're telling yourself, I trust my judgment. I trust that I know what's good for me. We start small. Say no to one thing this week. Notice how it feels. Does it feel scary, good, empowering? All of the above? The point is to practice trusting yourself enough to set a boundary. Gotta practice self-compassion too. We're gonna mess up, we're gonna break promises to ourselves, we're gonna ignore our body's signals. That's normal, that's human. The question is, how do we respond? If we respond with shame and self-criticism, then we're reinforcing the abuse narrative. You're telling yourself you're not worthy of that trust. Instead, practice self-compassion. Say yourself, okay, I'm learning and I'm doing the best I can. I deserve this kindness, especially from myself. This is how you rebuild trust, not through perfection, but through showing up for yourself with compassion. Okay, I gotta kind of hurry up. We got a lot, I'm telling you, it's a lot to cover, but this hour is not enough. I have so much more to run past you guys, and I don't want to just blast past it, and then you guys don't get the full segment. And we're gonna have to stop here today. We're gonna pause at segment six, and we're gonna pick that up for next week. These are practices you can start today. That's that's where we're gonna have to pick it up. I'm sorry, not next week, but week after next, because next week is our bye week. So I want you all to pay attention to yourselves. Start noticing things that you're doing, how you're feeling. When that feeling comes up, name it. Look at the situation. Is this relative to the situation I'm in? Am I fearing something and I'm not in a situation that needs to have fear present? And my anxiety, this is my anxiety kicking up when there's no need. We have to start looking at our feeling and also analyzing the situation we're in. Also, we have to pay more attention to how we are okay. We have to pay excuse us for our technical difficulties, but we have to start paying attention to our our trust, which is start doing small things in our minds to learn how to trust trust ourselves. Before you go, I want to leave you with this. Rebuilding trust is not linear. Some days you'll feel like you're making progress, other days you'll feel like you're back in square one. That's okay. That's normal. Healing isn't about perfection, it's about showing up for yourself again and again. Storm, you have any final words? Okay, we've lost storm again. Like I thought I say we're gonna fix this by next week. I'm gonna talk about you'll find resources on trust, and you have to understand and say this to yourself if you have no one else to say it to you. You don't have to do this alone. There's always someone you can talk to and go to talk to them, and we can all find help in some way or another. I also want you all to know that there are professionals that are willing to help us. Anytime all these numbers listed here below on your screen, they tell you who you call for different reasons. You have national child abuse hotline, you have setups hotline, all of these national numbers, doesn't matter where you are, and that you can call any of them and receive the help that you need or be assisted to these records to the help you need. Uh, there's a seven crisis hotline. Uh I believe that number is nine eight eight. Is it not? I don't want to get it wrong. It is actually nine eight eight. I got it right. Okay. Next week we'll be picking back up from segment six of this. It ends at segment nine, but like I said, we had a lot to back into this show. So I thank you all for coming. My name is Alzheimer's the triumph. Thank you for listening for your courage. Your trust matters, your feelings matter, and you matter. God bless you.
